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you had paul ryan embracing the across the board tax cut mitt romney is running on. he was pressed by martha, who did an excellent job exactly specifically you do to pay for that tax cut, totally evaded that. what happened was as happened on other issues, joe biden got frustrated. you saw biden, he variously was laughing, smiling, got angry at times. i think there were times at which that demeanor did not serve him well. ryan did not get flustered. did have some republican political strategists who i talked to during the debate thought ryan looked a little bit smug at times. ryan, of course, is young, he has to worry about looking like the junior varsity against the older guy. bottom line, i don't think anybody dominated the debate but i thought ryan did well and i think basically what we've done is set the table for the debate next week with obama and romney. that is going to determine what the next pivot in this race is. >> john, just to bring up a couple of points. we did have an informal poll on cnbc, about 3,000 people wrote in, based on what they have been writ
you had paul ryan embracing the across the board tax cut mitt romney is running on. he was pressed by martha, who did an excellent job exactly specifically you do to pay for that tax cut, totally evaded that. what happened was as happened on other issues, joe biden got frustrated. you saw biden, he variously was laughing, smiling, got angry at times. i think there were times at which that demeanor did not serve him well. ryan did not get flustered. did have some republican political strategists...
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of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates arguing on televis n television, media pundits providing the analysis. and what was striking about last week's debate between governor romney and president obama, first time 90 minutes unfiltered, these two men going face to face, challenging one another. that's what this is about. it's just about suddenly we get to see the two leaders, in this case, the two vps. >> sort of philosophical. just part two of this philosophical debate. >> correct. it's the only moment in the campaign. last week 70 million viewers. this week, who knows how many
of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates...
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e ng ly voters and romney-ryan ticket with one-point lead within the marginf error. among independent voters changed significantly. 44 to #he y.at b s. e, promised, your thoughts on how the race has shifted as we get ready to head to danville, kencky, tomorrow for the vice presidential debate? >> i think, evidence in the president's meants right there. i think theyon't kwow erhi de sha itee surge. it looks like sustained surge. you seen the white house scram to believe come up with an answer. first they said he was too conservative, then a flip-floper and then it was about big bird and he wasn't ri tnem waio wreas, they spent most of the campaign arguing that ryan and romney were radical, they wanted to overturn medicare, redo medicare. they just can't find their threoi b t solidumso emthomis a liar. the media amplified it. but it's not convincing argument when you have 70 million people watching wh ry s >> bret: they tried to jump on the statement that he made and romney saying there is no legislation with regard to abortion that i'm familiar with tt would become pa
e ng ly voters and romney-ryan ticket with one-point lead within the marginf error. among independent voters changed significantly. 44 to #he y.at b s. e, promised, your thoughts on how the race has shifted as we get ready to head to danville, kencky, tomorrow for the vice presidential debate? >> i think, evidence in the president's meants right there. i think theyon't kwow erhi de sha itee surge. it looks like sustained surge. you seen the white house scram to believe come up with an...
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couple of weeks from the romney-ryan campaign. a week ago, we had a presidential debate, mitt romney all of a sudden said there was no $5 trillion cu tax cut. i imagine that will be a topic. paul ryan once said he didn't have time to do the math on the tax cut. openfully tonight over 90 minutes he can do the math for us. >> bret: you even concedeed on the show with the deduction and credits while they haven't listed them specifically it wouldn't $5 trillion. >> here is what i said. he put out a number of tax cuts whether it's the estate tax, lowering everyone's rate by 20%, getting rid of the amt, payroll tax, number of tax cut he put on the table. the sum of the tax cuts is $5 trillion. >> bret: he said in the debate? you capped it, set a cap you could reach it. tax policy center which you cite, campaign cites says that you could reach the number that he is talking about -- >> no, it didn't say that. if you could reach the number -- you could add up the deduction and loopholes to $5 trillion if you raise taxes on the middle class
couple of weeks from the romney-ryan campaign. a week ago, we had a presidential debate, mitt romney all of a sudden said there was no $5 trillion cu tax cut. i imagine that will be a topic. paul ryan once said he didn't have time to do the math on the tax cut. openfully tonight over 90 minutes he can do the math for us. >> bret: you even concedeed on the show with the deduction and credits while they haven't listed them specifically it wouldn't $5 trillion. >> here is what i said....
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ryan has the romney plan to lower tax rates and cap deductions. do you think they're going to go at it? is it better to raise taxes or lower them to improve the economy? are we going to see that picture tonight? >> i think you will. i think you'll see a renewal of the theme if you let these individual tax rates soar up you're also clobering that small, medium-sized entrepreneur who's really a job creation engine. a quarter of all those jobs are in the hands of those folks and they're reacting negatively to the threat of higher taxes. it's one of the reasons that we've seen i think this confidence and lack of uncertainty suffer out there. in other words, people just don't know. we don't actually, larry, have a tax code really. 60 some provisions expired at the end of 2011, 40 some more are expiring this year. thog is known, nothing is certain and that's part of that big looming fiscal cliff that needs tore cleared up. paul ryan has a plan to do that. >> john harwood? >> governor engler, i just want to ask you about two economic issues. one national
ryan has the romney plan to lower tax rates and cap deductions. do you think they're going to go at it? is it better to raise taxes or lower them to improve the economy? are we going to see that picture tonight? >> i think you will. i think you'll see a renewal of the theme if you let these individual tax rates soar up you're also clobering that small, medium-sized entrepreneur who's really a job creation engine. a quarter of all those jobs are in the hands of those folks and they're...
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what would romney/ryan do about that? >> well, we agree with the same redline they do on chemical weapons. but not putting american troops in, other than to secure the chemical weapons. they are right about that. but what we should have done earlier is work with those freedom fighters, those dissidents in syria. we should not have called assad a reformer -- >> what is your criteria for -- >> we should not have waited for russia to give us the green light at the u.n. to do something. they are still arming the man. iran is flying flights over iraq -- >> and the opposition is being harmed -- >> to help assad. by the way, if we had the status of forces agreement that the vice-president said he would bet his vice presidency on, we would have been able to prevent that. but he failed to achieve that. >> what is your criteaserria for intervention. >> in syria? >> worldwide? >> what is in the national interest of the american people. >> how about humanitarian. >> it has to be in the strategic national interest of our country. >> n
what would romney/ryan do about that? >> well, we agree with the same redline they do on chemical weapons. but not putting american troops in, other than to secure the chemical weapons. they are right about that. but what we should have done earlier is work with those freedom fighters, those dissidents in syria. we should not have called assad a reformer -- >> what is your criteria for -- >> we should not have waited for russia to give us the green light at the u.n. to do...
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>> mitt romney put paul ryan on the ticket. that's not running away from the plan. >> but i mean -- he didn't embrace the ryan budget. it was too tough for him perhaps? >> correct me if i'm wrong, my understanding governor romney has been complimentary of the ryan budget plan and recognizes that we need to make reforms so that the big entitlement programs will be there for the next generation we need to tighten the belt on discreti discretionary spending. i disagree. >> mitt romney's tax proposals, because he has said that he can cut taxes without blowing up the deficit, without being deficit neutral, and at the same time keep defense spending. >> yeah. >> increase the defense budget. how does that work? >> governor romney said he can lower marginal tax rates and generate offsetting revenue so we don't increase the side of the deficit. >> how do you generate that? >> you reduce the number of write-offs and loopholes in some combinations. >> which would you reduce? he's not been specific. >> he's provided more specificity than t
>> mitt romney put paul ryan on the ticket. that's not running away from the plan. >> but i mean -- he didn't embrace the ryan budget. it was too tough for him perhaps? >> correct me if i'm wrong, my understanding governor romney has been complimentary of the ryan budget plan and recognizes that we need to make reforms so that the big entitlement programs will be there for the next generation we need to tighten the belt on discreti discretionary spending. i disagree. >>...
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now we're coming up to romney and ryan. not this debate specifically coming after president obama's gaffe before. >> that was a big thing for everybody here in the room. this was a big debate obviously because of president obama's performance last time. glen, that's why you paid a lot of attention here tonight, correct? >> yes, i think biden came on real strong and confident. i think he needed to do that because obama's performance last week was disappointing. >> and do you think the president will be up to it now that the bar's been raised next week? >> we'll see. >> you're still undecided. >> yes. >> sam, you're still undecided. you gave me an answer earlier. you said, you know, they've been running for president for months and months and months. you have the internet, newspapers, radio, tv. you're getting bombarded by ads here. why can't you make up your mind? >> as i said before, we work for a living. you know, a lot of us get up at 4:00 a.m., go to work for 12, 14 hours. we're at home with our kids. we're not doing thi
now we're coming up to romney and ryan. not this debate specifically coming after president obama's gaffe before. >> that was a big thing for everybody here in the room. this was a big debate obviously because of president obama's performance last time. glen, that's why you paid a lot of attention here tonight, correct? >> yes, i think biden came on real strong and confident. i think he needed to do that because obama's performance last week was disappointing. >> and do you...
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mitt romney called paul ryan today as well, wished him luck. both sides gearing up for this. you mentioned that achille's foot. some analysts say in this kind of format, the vice president won't slip up. >> in debates, particularly against sarah palin four years ago, he was pretty disciplined. i think republicans would be unwise to count on a biden gaffe occurring during this debate. >> senior democrat told me a short time ago where the vice president does get in trouble is not in this format, but a tv interview and he starts winding around and telling a long story and goes off message. another thing to watch tonight is that this is not just domestic policy like the first debate. it's foreign policy as well. that terrorist attack in libya could come up tonight for the first time in one of these debates. >> shep: yeah, i would be surprised if it didn't. what's the obama campaign telling you about the strategy and taking on congressman ryan? >> they're saying to me in private that he's not really just taking on congressman ryan. the plan, the strategy is to go after the top of
mitt romney called paul ryan today as well, wished him luck. both sides gearing up for this. you mentioned that achille's foot. some analysts say in this kind of format, the vice president won't slip up. >> in debates, particularly against sarah palin four years ago, he was pretty disciplined. i think republicans would be unwise to count on a biden gaffe occurring during this debate. >> senior democrat told me a short time ago where the vice president does get in trouble is not in...
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ryan to get to romney. y'all keep saying it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. they don't have a program that's viable. joe will take them to the woodshed. >> greg: really? what do you think? woodshed? >> eric: i don't think there is a woodshed for either side. look at it logically. joe biden right now, the momentum after the last debate, momentum switched to romney campaign. joe biden, he wants to be president some day. he is not going to out there and take a chance to ruin 2016 for himself. he'll be aggressive. there is no reason to numberable ball. no reason to show off. keep it straight by the numbers. >> bob: he is smarter. have you read today's polls? >> greg: dana, you have limited experience with politics. do you think slogans are meaningless? g.m. is alive and bin laden is dead at this point. >> dana: i hope they don't use that. they need new material. we're hearing the same thing from 2008. like watching soap opera if you didn't pay attention and you just watched the last presidential election and
ryan to get to romney. y'all keep saying it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. they don't have a program that's viable. joe will take them to the woodshed. >> greg: really? what do you think? woodshed? >> eric: i don't think there is a woodshed for either side. look at it logically. joe biden right now, the momentum after the last debate, momentum switched to romney campaign. joe biden, he wants to be president some day. he is not going to out there and take a chance to ruin 2016...
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abortion was a hit on romney and ryan. it was almost like obama was a little too cold the first debate. joe biden was was hot and goldi might come. >> he has to find goldilocks. stick around because this was not the feistiest debate of the night. i'll give you nasty, go to arizona. >>> who was the last chief justice nominated to the supreme court by a democrat? it's chief justice fred vincent or as he is known here on campus dead fred. vinson was appointed to the high court by president harry truman is an iconic college alum. they take his portrait to every home football game and other big events on campus. dead fred was there for the first thrill in the ville back in 2000 and was there last night perched on a ledge high above the hall next to john yang for that one. who is fred, baby? fred's dead, baby. i'm only in my 60's... i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for med
abortion was a hit on romney and ryan. it was almost like obama was a little too cold the first debate. joe biden was was hot and goldi might come. >> he has to find goldilocks. stick around because this was not the feistiest debate of the night. i'll give you nasty, go to arizona. >>> who was the last chief justice nominated to the supreme court by a democrat? it's chief justice fred vincent or as he is known here on campus dead fred. vinson was appointed to the high court by...
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so did ryan add to the romney momentum or did biden help put the obama campaign back on track? now the pollsters go to work to try to figure o that out while voters digest the second of four debates. danville, kentucky, i'm steve handles men, nbc news, lynn, back to you. >>> steve, thanks so much. nbc's andrea mitchell led our truth squad in danville last night with a fact check of the debate. she started with the deadly september 11th attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi and paul ryan accusing the obama administration not correctly protecting the personnel. >> what we should not be doing is rejecting claims for calls for more security in our barracks, in our marine. we need marines in benghazi when the commander on the ground says we need more forces for security. there were requests for extra security. those requests were not honored. >> reporter: vice president biden called the deaths a tragedy but he said they did not know ambassador stevens and other personnel on the ground had been asking for more security help. >> we weren't told they wanted more security there. we d
so did ryan add to the romney momentum or did biden help put the obama campaign back on track? now the pollsters go to work to try to figure o that out while voters digest the second of four debates. danville, kentucky, i'm steve handles men, nbc news, lynn, back to you. >>> steve, thanks so much. nbc's andrea mitchell led our truth squad in danville last night with a fact check of the debate. she started with the deadly september 11th attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi and paul...
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and that's exactly the romney/ryan budget does. itzhaks it to the middle class and seniors, in order to give these tax breaks to very wealthy people. >> what do you think of the job martha raddatz did? >> i think she did a very good job. never made herself the center of the debate. >> she started off very strong with benghazi. want to play a little bit about what the vice president said about security in benghazi. >> well, we weren't told we want more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> explain that to me. a lot of the testimony was, in fact, the, the, the government did know. that, that, that the state department was well aware that there were requests for security. doesn't that completely contradict exactly what we just saw in i think it was wednesday's testimony? >> what the vice president is saying is that he and the president didn't know. this information had been communicated, at least according to the hearings, to the diplomatic security folks at the state department, and some others. but it wasn't commun
and that's exactly the romney/ryan budget does. itzhaks it to the middle class and seniors, in order to give these tax breaks to very wealthy people. >> what do you think of the job martha raddatz did? >> i think she did a very good job. never made herself the center of the debate. >> she started off very strong with benghazi. want to play a little bit about what the vice president said about security in benghazi. >> well, we weren't told we want more security. we did...
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unfortunately, the burden is on romney and ryan. we already know what to expect with biden and with obama. but unfortunately, romney and ryan have the burden to say we can change the trajectory of the conversation of what's going on in the country and do it well, and that didn't happen with clarity and conviction last night. >> i half agree with carol on that point. but the other part of the equation -- >> i don't think you can agree with that point, because the only poll i have seen about undecided was done by any major network was cbs and it was pretty clear who won the debate amongst uncommitted voters, ryan 31%, biden 50%. he smashed him which was my reading of it in the moment. >> look, people are voting right now in ohio. so if you've made up your mind in ohio and you watched last night's debate, you were energized and went out to the polls and voted, that makes an impact on the election. governor romney can't win without ohio. there are, there is a narrow sliver of voters that are still in play in some of these states. i thin
unfortunately, the burden is on romney and ryan. we already know what to expect with biden and with obama. but unfortunately, romney and ryan have the burden to say we can change the trajectory of the conversation of what's going on in the country and do it well, and that didn't happen with clarity and conviction last night. >> i half agree with carol on that point. but the other part of the equation -- >> i don't think you can agree with that point, because the only poll i have...
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how did ryan do? we'll knock that around with our "morning joe" crew. when we come back here, we huddle around the water cooler to watch a near brawl in a debate in california. head locks and fingers in faces when way too early comes back. a great clean doesn't have to take longer. i'm done. i'm gonna read one of these. i'm gonna read one of these! [ female announcer ] unlike sprays and dust rags, swiffer 360 duster's extender gets into hard-to-reach places without the hassle. so you can get unbelievable dust pickup in less time without missing a thing. i love that book. can you believe the twin did it? ♪ swiffer. great clean in less time. or your money back. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from scanton, pennsylvania, i'm from wisconsin. you know the unemployment rate in scranton? >> sure do. >> it's 10%. the day you came in it was 8.5%. >> that's not how it's going. it's going down. >> joe biden and paul ryan met in danville, kentucky for the first and only vice president debate. the candidates split the air time almost right down the midd
how did ryan do? we'll knock that around with our "morning joe" crew. when we come back here, we huddle around the water cooler to watch a near brawl in a debate in california. head locks and fingers in faces when way too early comes back. a great clean doesn't have to take longer. i'm done. i'm gonna read one of these. i'm gonna read one of these! [ female announcer ] unlike sprays and dust rags, swiffer 360 duster's extender gets into hard-to-reach places without the hassle. so you...
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did ryan add to the romney momentum or did biden help put obama back on track? the pollsters go to work to figure it out while voters digest the second of four debates. i'm steve handelsman, nbc news. back to you. >> steve, thanks. >>> president obama and romney will have their second debate tuesday in long island, new york. andrea mitchell led the truth squad with a fact check. she started with the deadly september 11th attack in benghazi. paul ryan accusing them of protecting u.s. personnel. >> what we should not be doing is rejecting claims for calls for more security in barracks and marines. we need marines in benghazi when the ambassador says we need them. the requests were not honored. >> biden called the deaths a tragedy. the obama administration did not know they had been asking for more security help. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. by the way, at the time, we were told exactly, we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew. that was the assessment. >> there was an assessm
did ryan add to the romney momentum or did biden help put obama back on track? the pollsters go to work to figure it out while voters digest the second of four debates. i'm steve handelsman, nbc news. back to you. >> steve, thanks. >>> president obama and romney will have their second debate tuesday in long island, new york. andrea mitchell led the truth squad with a fact check. she started with the deadly september 11th attack in benghazi. paul ryan accusing them of protecting...
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now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. and with respect to iraq, we have the same position before the withdrawal, which was we agreed with the obama administration. let's have a status of forces agreement to make sure that we secure our gains. the vice president was put in charge of those negotiations by president obama. and he failed to get the agreement. we don't have a status of force agreement because they failed to get one. that's what we are talking about. and when it comes to our veterans, we owe them a great debt of gratitude for what they have done for us, including your son, beau. but we also want to make sure that we don't lose the things that we fought so hard to get. with respect to afghanistan, the 2014 deadline, we agree with the 2014 transition. but what we also want to do is make sure that we're not projecting weakness abroad, and that's what's happening here. this benghazi issue would be a tragedy in and of itself, but unfortunately it's indicative of a broader problem, and that is what we are watching on
now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. and with respect to iraq, we have the same position before the withdrawal, which was we agreed with the obama administration. let's have a status of forces agreement to make sure that we secure our gains. the vice president was put in charge of those negotiations by president obama. and he failed to get the agreement. we don't have a status of force agreement because they failed to get one. that's what we are talking...
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ryan may have been a smart pick for romney despite his policy positions, not because of they'll. which is to say, he's been pretty good on the stump, in terms of ginning up enthusiasm. the policy stuff may have been his achille's heel and the campaign stuff a bonus. >> ginning up enthusiasm among republicans, probably -- i don't see where the enthusiasm is for him among independents in the body politic overall. i mean the policy positions he's taken, you know, god love him, at least there's someone in washington who is going to put really hard, specific policy prescriptions on the table, the problem, though, is that they're incredibly unpopular. we've gone from the road map for america's future foote of prosperity to the house budget that the budget that the house passed that they're now all running away from because they now know that the american people don't like the policy prescriptions are there. ryan is young, in great shape, very smart. but when people talk about the specifics and what his vision is, they're not going to like it and that's why tonight is fascinating becaus
ryan may have been a smart pick for romney despite his policy positions, not because of they'll. which is to say, he's been pretty good on the stump, in terms of ginning up enthusiasm. the policy stuff may have been his achille's heel and the campaign stuff a bonus. >> ginning up enthusiasm among republicans, probably -- i don't see where the enthusiasm is for him among independents in the body politic overall. i mean the policy positions he's taken, you know, god love him, at least...
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making this an issue. >> that last thing, blaming the romney-ryan ticket. i'll give the case to the defense to you, but i've got to say joe biden said the intelligence didn't tell them anything. the state department knew in real time that this had nothing to do with spontaneous protests about the video. that's point number one. point number two, biden said last night that he did not know or that there was no request from the state department for extra security in the benghazi consulate. the reality is, we have all learned, they made not one, not two, but five requests for additional security which were all turned down at the white house and the national security council. biden -- i think you and jennifer raise a lot of good points that absolutely should be checked in days to come, but you know, larry, you have to check both sides. i didn't like your introduction. we'll check biden's lies and it's lefshlgity mat to fact check and let's not call people liars. >> look at what the obama administration has done. >> it's three against one so give me fair time. >>
making this an issue. >> that last thing, blaming the romney-ryan ticket. i'll give the case to the defense to you, but i've got to say joe biden said the intelligence didn't tell them anything. the state department knew in real time that this had nothing to do with spontaneous protests about the video. that's point number one. point number two, biden said last night that he did not know or that there was no request from the state department for extra security in the benghazi consulate....
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we also have jim acosta covering team romney and today team ryan. we'll check in with jim acosta on the ground in danville right after this. >>> the debate before the debate. we're about to show you what each candidate will probably say tonight in his own words. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. some critics blasting tonight's moderator for her ties to president obama. former debate moderator carol simpson joins me live on whether it should matter. >>> plus, when afghanistan comes up tonight, so will insider attacks. i'll talk with a combat medic whose chilling memories reveal green on blue is nothing new. >>> i see bloody handprints on walls thinking, my god, is that my son's? i don't know if he was shot. i don't know -- i don't know. they haven't told me anything. >> the mother of an american killed in the benghazi attack accuses the obama administration of lying to her. it's hard to see opportunity in today's challenging environment. unless you have the right perspective. bny mellon wealth management has the vision and experience to look beyon
we also have jim acosta covering team romney and today team ryan. we'll check in with jim acosta on the ground in danville right after this. >>> the debate before the debate. we're about to show you what each candidate will probably say tonight in his own words. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. some critics blasting tonight's moderator for her ties to president obama. former debate moderator carol simpson joins me live on whether it should matter. >>> plus, when...
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the president's team said the debate exposed the risks of electing a romney-ryan ticket. the next presidential debate is tuesday. randall pinkston, cbs news, danville, kentucky. >> if you plan in voting in maryland, d.c. or virginia in the upcoming november election and you haven't registered to vote, you only have a few days left. in virginia you have till monday. maryland tuesday is the last day to register. d.c. it's friday, october 19 and you have to do it in person in d.c. for more on voter registration, go to wusa9.com and look under campaign 2012. >>> another d.c. lawmaker is being accused of ethics violations. it's all related to a bad real estate deal. the washington metropolitan area authority said jim graham allegedly said he would support a project if the developer agreed to pull out of a metro development project on 7th and florida avenue. graham was a sitting board member at the time. the allegations come after a four-month long independent investigation. >> regardless of whether council member graham's moifers were good -- motives were good, whether he thou
the president's team said the debate exposed the risks of electing a romney-ryan ticket. the next presidential debate is tuesday. randall pinkston, cbs news, danville, kentucky. >> if you plan in voting in maryland, d.c. or virginia in the upcoming november election and you haven't registered to vote, you only have a few days left. in virginia you have till monday. maryland tuesday is the last day to register. d.c. it's friday, october 19 and you have to do it in person in d.c. for more...